You Kill Me
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Season 8
Number 8
Writer Douglas Petrie
Director Paris Barclay
Original Airdate November 22, 2007
Previous Episode: Goodbye and Good Luck
Next Episode: Cockroaches

You Kill Me is the eighth episode in season eight of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.


Hodges puts the lab techs through a series of "murder games" - a set of bizarre, hypothetical murder scenarios which all take place in the lab. He invites Henry, Mandy and Wendy to play; however, unknown to them, his real intentions for the games remain hidden.


Grissom and Brass talk about some case reports and after Brass tells him that he'll have them by tomorrow, he changes the subject to talk about Sara, who went to San Francisco to visit her mother. Brass asks Grissom about their relationship, but Grissom says he is very busy, as he's been working double shifts to fill in for Sara's departure.

As Grissom heads into his office, Archie heads to the garage and documents some bricks of cocaine by taking it out of a suitcase. As he grabs the third one from the top, the case explodes, sending everything flying, glass doors shattering and the techs start running around as the alarm goes off and Hodges soon comes in, sees Archie, dead and starts laughing evilly.

It is soon revealed that he is telling Wendy, and he tells her that this is a "thought experiment." He soon tells her that they speak for the dead and to think of this exercise as a way for the dead to speak for themselves. As it goes back to the destroyed garage in the scenario, Hodges tells Wendy to answer two simple questions (at which zombie Archie looks up to the camera to say the answers): "Whodunit and how?" before dying again.

(Rules for the thought experiment are to find out who killed the victim through a question and answer session where Hodges has the answers. He can't lie or revise the scenario if anyone gets close to the answer; though they don't have to find the motive for the murder.)

Victim: Archie Johnson (deceased)

On the case: Nick Stokes, Warrick Brown

After Hazmat cleaned up the scene, David Phillips takes Archie's body to the morgue, passing Nick and Warrick, informing them that there is "no sign of sexual trauma." (Hodges thinks that David might legally be required to notify the CSIs). The Level 3 duo become emotional about Archie's death and cry. Wendy comments that they would be upset and Hodges says they can heroically contain their bereavement.

Back in the scenario, the Level 3 duo think it had to be the dealer, hoping the cops that got the drugs would be blown up with them. This is Wendy's theory, but Hodges tells her that she's jumping the gun and he wants to finish building up his setup. In the scenario, 20 bricks of cocaine were logged into evidence past midnight and the explosion happened 30 minutes later; however, there are 21 wrappers. Since no one touched the evidence since it entered the lab, the killer had to be someone on the inside. Wendy believes that since the killer works in the lab, anyone could tamper with the evidence. Therefore, the case is unsolvable. Hodges denies this and says that this is not his intention. Something clicks and Hodges lies, saying his shoe is untied. While he is under the table to attend to it, Wendy looks at a case file on the desk. Hodges tells Wendy that for the purposes of the exercise, nobody in the lab can tamper with the evidence. He adds that Wendy can ask any question she wants and he will answer all of them truthfully. He will also not change who the killer is if she gets too close.

Wendy says that the first thing she would do is examine the bomb mechanism to see if there are any clues as to who built it. In the scenario, Nick looks at the pieces of the bomb and lays out how it was planted and activated. He tries to get Wendy to think (through the mind), and she soon realizes that they should check the blasting cap. Hodges comments the leg wires are color coated. Since the color coding is manufacturer specific, they can track down the source. As they talk about the manufacturer, Archie soon comes enters the break room and asks to play the game, even though Hodges claims that this isn't a game. After Archie is allowed to play, Hodges and Wendy think about where to get blasting caps. In the scenario, Bobby Dawson leads them to the gun cage, where he keeps them, but Warrick stops him and unlocks the case himself. Nick finds one blasting cap missing while Warrick sees that the lock was picked.

Archie soon asks if the lock had prints, but Hodges replies there are no prints, just metal shavings. Someone stole the blasting cap in an attempt to frame Bobby. Hodges says the explosive that had been used was liquid nitro-acetate and solid ammonium nitrate packed in baking soda to blend in with the cocaine and that it needed to be refrigerated.

They look through all fridges and in Tox, Nick finds Nitrogen tetra-hydride and sodium nitrate that produces nitro-acetate if mixed. Nick also finds baking soda in the fridge that was used to conceal the explosive. Henry mixed the chemicals and put it in the fridge where the baking soda absorbed the odors of the mixed chemical inside it. In interrogation, Brass glares at him while turning his chair around. Before Brass says anything, Henry confesses to killing Archie.

Archie asks why Henry would want to kill him, but is told that they're not concerned about the "why." Incensed, Archie leaves and passes Nick and Warrick in the hallway. They've just finished their shift, and Warrick thinks of heading to the Strip to gamble, but Nick turns him down and tries to ask Grissom to have breakfast with him.

Back in the break room, Mandy comes in asking to play the game (or "thought experiment") since her day is boring. In a new scenario, Mandy heads into Tox and asks Henry for a report on a victim before discovering Henry is dead, frozen in the freezer. She lets out a horrifying scream.

Victim: Henry Andrews (deceased)

On the case: Catherine Willows

In autopsy, David Phillips lets Doc Robbins know that there's no sign of sexual trauma on Henry's body. He's also grossed out by the frozen sweat stains on Henry's armpits. The doc guesses that Henry was trapped in the freezer for at least a few hours and that they can only start the autopsy after the body has thawed out. Back in the break room, Mandy guesses that Henry froze to death; however, Wendy corrects her and says that the cause of death isn't certain since the autopsy hasn't been performed yet.

Catherine looks over the mess in the freezer and wonders whether the mess is the result of a struggle or the result of Henry's panicking. The emergency handle to the door has been bent, rendering it inoperative. There are several broken chemical containers that could have released poisonous substances into the enclosed space. Catherine wonders if Henry's death could be a prank gone wrong, as the freezer was locked from the outside with a pin. Wendy asks how someone could bend the steel handle and Mandy says that maybe adrenaline kicked in. Hodges replies that you can't use the word "maybe" on a case report. The trace on the locking pin turns out to be peanut butter.

Bobby Dawson is blamed, as he had peanut butter in his latex gloves and stored some photo emulsion sheets in the freezer. He tries telling Brass that he hates being persecuted. Brass just replies (in Hodges' raspy voice in an attempt to imitate Brass) "Get used to it, punk." However, the completed autopsy surprisingly reveals that Henry had angel dust (or PCP) in his system. This would cause unusual reactions in his brain, such as overheating (which is why he went into the freezer) and extreme strength (how he bent the metal knob).

Henry arrives having overheard what's going on. He isn't too pleased to find out that Hodges has portrayed him as a drug user, but he wants to be a part of the "thought experiment" nonetheless. The autopsy didn't reveal any powder in Henry's nasal passages or PCP damage in his lungs, meaning that he didn't inhale it, smoke it or snort it. Wendy remembers that the body had crusty armpit sweat stains and realizes that the lab coat was dosed in PCP. Catherine runs a test and confirms this suspicion.

Wendy realizes that Henry would have died from an overdose regardless, so the spilled chemicals were superfluous to the case. Hodges reminds her that they still need to find the perpetrator. Due to federal laws, the lab coats can't leave the premises, meaning that the guilty party is in the lab. Henry mentions that PCP has a horrible smell and that he has to use fume hoods when working with it. In the scenario, Catherine checks all of the sinks in the lab for traces of PCP, but comes up empty. Wendy then says to check the plant next to the sink. Her guess is correct, as the plant absorbed the PCP in the air while the killer was dumping it down the drain. Wendy is revealed to be the killer.

Mandy receives a text from Ecklie and returns to work. After Mandy leaves, Hodges compliments Wendy on her skills while Henry sits nearby and rolls his eyes. Wendy reveals that she's planning on taking the CSI field test, much to Hodges' surprise (and masked horror). She reads Hodges' poker face, but he refuses to say anything negative in return. In the hallway, Catherine tries to tell Grissom to go after Sara, but he declines, saying he just wants her to be happy. Hodges soon teases Wendy about her decision to go out in the field, telling her about how Greg went out in the field and got beaten up. Henry asks for another scenario; this time, Wendy is the victim.

Victim: Wendy Simms (deceased)

On the case: Greg Sanders

In Hodges' third scenario, Greg has been called to investigate Wendy's death. On his way out with the body, David Phillips whispers to Greg that there are no signs of sexual trauma. Wendy died while she was retrieving a box of evidence, which ended up on the floor. Initially, it seems to be an accident with her falling off the ladder and hitting her neck on the corner of the room's table. However, inspection of the ladder reveals bristle marks on a oily substance, meaning it was brushed onto the step.

The oily substance turns out to be gun lubricant, which points them in the direction of Bobby Dawson once again. Bobby is interrogated by Brass and claims that "real gun guys" would never use that type of gun oil. When he tries to leave, Brass whips out a nightstick and forces Bobby to sit back down. Wendy interrupts and says that Brass isn't the kind of cop who smacks suspects around. Hodges knocks a file under the table and retrieves it (making notes in it at the same time).

At the autopsy, there doesn't seem to be anything suspicious, as it appears at first glance that the cause of death is the neck wound. Doc Robbins tells Greg that Wendy was conscious for 30 to 60 seconds before the blood loss was fatal. Greg notes that there is no blood on Wendy's hands, meaning that she didn't try to stop the bleeding. Since that is the case, she may have been unconscious. He also spots an oval, perimortem burn mark on her wrist from a bracelet she was wearing. This leads Henry and Wendy to realize that Wendy was electrocuted in the scenario. At the scene, Greg finds two odd wires leading to a motorcycle battery hidden in the vent. The battery was wired to the ladder and to the evidence box; when Wendy reached into the box, she was electrocuted.

Both Wendy and Henry find this scenario highly improbable, for not only is the contraption complex, but the victim could have been anybody. Wendy questions how the killer coaxed her up onto the ladder in the first place. There's also no control as to when the contraption would activate. Since the case got a bit confusing, Hodges lowers further down to the table a mutters "Scenario requires further revision." Wendy soon looks under the table and finds Hodges taking a tape recorder off from under it. He places it in his bag and runs out, leaving Wendy and Henry confused.

In the locker room, Wendy discovers that Hodges was making a board game based on the lab. She finds some figures that look like the techs at the lab (Sandy Baxter: Mandy Webster, Reggie Chang: Archie Johnson, Andrew Henries, Henry Andrews, Hodgkins (a word for cancer): David Hodges and Mindy Bimms: Wendy Simms). Upon seeing Mindy Bimms' big boobs and info as 'clumsy, yet buxom DNA tech,' she mocks Hodges by 'clumsily' knocking the board and proclaims him as the 'dumbest smart guy I know' before walking out, insulted.

As Grissom passes Greg, he discovers Hodges playing with the board game and sees him dropping the Mindy Bimms figure in a glass of water. Upon seeing the board game, he becomes interested and Hodges explains the rules. As Hodges explains the rules of the game, Archie slowly lifts the third brick of cocaine from the top, slowly, he is relieved it doesn't go off. At Tox, Mandy is shocked at seeing Henry in the freezer and tries to open it, but when he moves, Mandy gasps as he comes out, laughing. In the evidence locker, Wendy slips on the ladder and nearly falls off as she grabs an evidence box.

In Trace, Hodges finishes recording his speech, he straightens up a little and gets shot. He falls to the floor and the chair he was sitting on spins out of control continuously as he is still smiling with a bullet hole in his forehead.

Victim: David Hodges (deceased)

On the case: Gil Grissom

Hodges tells Grissom that there are no witnesses and nobody heard a shot. Based on the fact that there's a shell casing in the doorway, Grissom initially thinks that it might be a walk-by shooting from the hallway behind Hodges. Since he needs the bullet, Grissom's first move is to get an autopsy.

After David Phillips gets forced to leave for saying their was no sign of sexual trauma (again), Doc Robbins says that the bullet went through the center of Hodges head; he is able to remove it from the brain almost intact. The bullet leads to a gun that came into the lab a week before on a buyback program. Records show that it was destroyed, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Grissom watches the tape of Hodges' speech again. He realizes that based on where Hodges was sitting and where the bullet hit him, the shot didn't come from the hallway. A search of the office reveals a device hidden on one of the shelves. The device, a zip gun, uses a mobile phone activated device (untraceable due to pre-1990 manufacturing) to fire the lethal bullet from a pipe. Grissom swabs the zip gun's barrel and finds a black powder.

Grissom analyzes the bullet and finds that it was pitted on the base, which is the result of exposure to smokeless gunpowder. His conclusion is that the bullet was fired twice. The killer test-fired the gun in the lab knowing that it would be destroyed. He or she then kept the bullet and the casing, put the bullet in the tube on a wad of black powder and activated the gun remotely by calling the pager.

Bobby Dawson, who loads and fires muskets for fun, is once again blamed. As Brass tries to escort him to interrogation, Bobby breaks free from his grip, steals a nearby police officer's gun and is about to defend himself when Brass nonchalantly shoots him six times before spinning his gun and blowing the gun smoke away. When Grissom asks what Hodges has against Bobby, Hodges replies it is merely a running gag and asks if he did do it. Grissom believes that Bobby was framed. He explains that if Hodges hadn't gotten in the way of the bullet, the trajectory would have continued towards the ballistics area, putting Bobby in the line of fire. Bobby is a real gun guy, and Grissom says that no gun guy would put himself down-range of a shot.

Grissom realizes from the tape that Hodges wasn't just the victim; he had straightened up just before the gun was fired, which was how it had hit him. Therefore, Hodges was his own murderer. Hodges congratulates Grissom on figuring it out, and Grissom asks to play the game again. As they set up, Hodges asks Grissom if he would be willing to leave this - the challenges, the puzzles - behind; Grissom replies no. Sara, however, was willing to do so. Hodges tells Grissom that you can't stand in the way of that and that he should let her go. Grissom tells Hodges to just play the game and Hodges asks if can record the game for future reference.


Main Cast

Guest Cast


  • In Henry's scenario, when Henry knocks over some chemicals after the emergency handle came off, he drops it in the process. However, in a later shot, he is holding it in his hand.
  • None of the CSIs use gloves during the imaginative investigations, which would not only compromise any evidence they find, but would expose Catherine to PCP contamination while examining Henry's coat.


  • Hodges is eating Lucky brand potato chips, the same chips he got from the vending machine in the season 7 episode Lab Rats.
  • Hodges tells Wendy that Greg took the field test, got out into the field and got beaten up. This happened in the season 7 episode Fannysmackin'.


  • The 1659 that Greg erased on the OSHA sign might be the number of days since Catherine Willows accidentally blew up the lab.
  • Except for the final two victims, every victim starting from Archie to Wendy, the killer becomes the victim in the next scenario. In Hodges', he is both.
  • Running gags: Hodges places Bobby Dawson as a suspect, David Philips saying "No sign of sexual trauma."

See Also

CSI:Las Vegas Season 8
Dead DollA La CartGo to HellThe Case of the Cross-Dressing Carp The Chick Chop Flick ShopWho and WhatWhere and WhyGoodbye and Good LuckYou Kill MeCockroachesLying Down With DogsBullGrissom's Divine ComedyA Thousand Days On EarthDrops OutThe Theory of EverythingTwo And A Half DeathsFor Gedda